[Scummvm-devel] Fwd: ScummVM and iPhSoft

[Max Horn]

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> Von: "Liron Barzilay" <liron at iphsoft.com>
> Datum: 4. August 2009 16:27:28 MESZ
> An: "'Max Horn'" <max at quendi.de>, "'Eugene Sandulenko'" <sev at scummvm.org 
> >
> Kopie: "'Yinon Yamin'" <yinon at iphsoft.com>
> Betreff: RE: ScummVM and iPhSoft
>
> Hi again,
>
> We added the following at the bottom of each project page:
> "Special thanks to ScummVM team for their great multi platform open  
> source
> project. We'd also like to thank Vinterstum for his help in our  
> version of
> the iPhone port. For more information about ScummVM project visit:
> scummvm.org"
>
> Let me know if any changes are needed.
>
> Thanks,
> Liron.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liron Barzilay [mailto:liron at iphsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: 'Max Horn'; 'Yinon Yamin'
> Cc: 'ScummVM devel'
> Subject: RE: ScummVM and iPhSoft
>
> Hi Max and ScummVM dev team,
>
> We understand your view of things and updated our site with these  
> additions:
>
> 1. On our home page, for each project that involve ScummVM:  
> "Includes the
> acclaimed ScummVM project" (including link to scummvm.org).
>
> 2. On each project page, that involve ScummVM (one click from home):
> "Includes the acclaimed ScummVM project" (including link to  
> scummvm.org), on
> the Features list.
>
> 3. On each project page, that involve ScummVM (one click from home):  
> ScummVM
> logo on the right (including link to scummvm.org).
>
> Please let me know if there is anything else needed regarding our  
> site.
>
> Liron.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Horn [mailto:max at quendi.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: Liron Barzilay; Yinon Yamin
> Cc: ScummVM devel
> Subject: Re: ScummVM and iPhSoft
>
>
> Am 02.08.2009 um 23:29 schrieb Liron Barzilay:
>
>> Dear Max and Eugene,
>>
>>
>> We have launched a new site that we hope you will find honoring
>> ScummVM games and project:
>>
>> http://iPhSoft.com
>>
>> We also updated the sources (With much help from Eugene), Is there
>> anything else we can do for you on our site ?
>>
>>
>>
>> We also interesting in transfer some of the income (more that 10%)
>> to ScummVM Project, can you send us a PayPal invoice (with the sum I
>> will send you) ?  it is an option available inside PayPal account.
>>
>
> Hi Liro, hi Yinon,
>
> Before talking about any money transfers or whatever, I'd like to
> discuss the content of your website first. First off, I am glad that
> at least this time you are providing what seems to be the full source
> code from the start. Good. I haven't checked it yet, but unless
> somebody tells me differently, I'll trust you that it is really
> complete.
>
> However, we at ScummVM are rather unhappy about how you present (or
> rather, hide) any information / hints about the fact that you base
> your apps on ScummVM in an essential way. It took me a long time of
> digging to finally discover a page on which ScummVM is mentioned.
> Apparently there are only two of them, and both are only to be found
> after extensive digging.
>  * http://iphsoft.com/fotaq_versions.html
>  * http://iphsoft.com/fotaq_links.html
>
> In fact, we are deeply troubled by this lack of attribution, and we
> have explained this to you several times before (not for this specific
> new website, but in general). Regardless of the legal side of things,
> we are not really inspired to cooperate with you in any way, as long
> as you keep conveying to us that you are only interested in using our
> work to earn money, but are not willing to give us public, well-
> visible credit for our work.
>
> I am kind of surprise that it seems so difficult to get across that we
> would like to received recognition for our hard work; we are in fact
> (as we explained to you before, too) more interested in that than in
> money. I am especially surprised considering what you write on your
> About page (emphasis mine): "We at iPhSoft are *proud* of *our*
> technology and intellectual property, but we strongly believe that our
> employees are the key factor that drives the company."
>
> Seems to me that based on the above, it should be natural for you to
> understand that we are also proud about *our* technology, too.
> Yet somehow that sentence fails to mention the work of your non-
> employees (i.e., us) which also is kinda important for the drive of
> your company, isn't it?. And so we are disappointed that while you
> praise "your" technology, you don't really seem to put any effort into
> pointing out that a lot of it is really *ours*...
>
>
> So, we'd appreciate to hear from you on how you plan to improve this
> situation.
>
>
> Bye,
> Max
> ScummVM project co-lead
>
>
> P.S.: You might wish to hire a professional English->German
> translator, or at least a native German speaker with good grammar
> skills, to revise the german page of your FOTAQ offering in the
> AppStore. The current one is riddled with spelling and grammar
> mistakes, or outright garbled sentences. It's also a bit weird that
> the "news" for it are partially in Dutch, not German
>
>