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<div><span>personally I still have a retro PC and would find it a nice-to-have if ScummVM is still supported on Windows 9x/ME. Some time ago when I last tried ScummVM, I noticed<span> </span>however that the normal EXE build won't run but only a specific compilation with several modern features removed. I haven't checked whether this is still the case.</span></div>
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<span>I don't have a strong opinion against dropping support. However, I would have found it nice if dropping the support would have been delayed until The Last Express was fully supported in ScummVM. :)<span> </span></span>On the other hand, this may never happen.</div>
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<span><span>It would be nice if a sort of "goodbye" last version for Windows 9x/ME<span> </span> </span></span>would be created and if the cut would be well documented in the commit history.</div>
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Kind regards<span> </span></div>
<div>Simon Sawatzki<span> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 07. März 2016 um 10:19 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Filippos Karapetis" <bluegr@gmail.com><br/>
<b>An:</b> "scummvm-devel devel" <scummvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Scummvm-devel] Dropping Windows 9x/ME support</div>
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<div>If we are forced to use ancient toolchains to maintain support for Win9x, then I fully support the idea of dropping support for this platform altogether, or to create a separate toolchain just for this.
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<div>After all, we have a separate toolchain and build target for the old OS X builds (although these are BE...).</div>
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<div>I really don't think that anyone is using Win9x any more, other than in really ancient PCs. Nowadays, you can get a Raspberry Pi 3 for $35 or a Raspberry Pi Zero for $5, so there's really no compelling reason to use ancient hardware with Win9x these days.</div>
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<div>If you're still doubtful, do a web search for OS usage, e.g. this wikipedia article:</div>
<div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems</a></div>
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<div>If you read stats on Windows version usage, you'll see that anything older than XP is basically non-existent nowadays (and for good reason). Also, there isn't any decent browser that works under Windows 9x any more:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/modern-browsers-for-windows-98-systems-363040/" target="_blank">http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/modern-browsers-for-windows-98-systems-363040/</a></div>
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<div>So, again the only hardware that people would run ScummVM with Win9x would be very (very) old 486 or Pentium PCs with 32MB of RAM, but you can get a system that's many orders of magnitude faster than that for $5 (Raspberry Pi Zero).</div>
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<div>Thus, I really don't see why we should maintain support for operating systems that are 18-21 years old now, and noone's using them, since there are tons of very cheap and vastly superior alternative options.</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Filippos</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Travis Howell <span><<a href="kirben@optusnet.com.au" target="_parent">kirben@optusnet.com.au</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><span>On 6/03/2016 10:08 PM, Eugene Sandulenko wrote:<br/>
> On 5 March 2016 at 23:48, Travis Howell <<a href="kirben@optusnet.com.au" target="_parent">kirben@optusnet.com.au</a></span><br/>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="kirben@optusnet.com.au" target="_parent">kirben@optusnet.com.au</a>>> wrote:<br/>
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> Only for release builds, and only if no major code changes are required<br/>
> for continued Windows 9x/ME support. I would have to provide the<br/>
> additional build, as I doubt buildbot has the disk space for another<br/>
> large tool chain.<br/>
> We have 2 buildbots now (another one is in preps), and that another one<br/>
> has twice disk space that our main one. Thus, if it is possibble to set<br/>
> up a chain, that would be lovely.</span><br/>
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Basically the tool chain and extra libraries offered on the current<br/>
MinGW compile guide on the ScummVM wiki, but I doubt they could be just<br/>
swapped into a cross-compiler environment.<br/>
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<span>> I don't think this will be viable in the long term though, since ScummVM<br/>
> will move to SDL2 in the future, which completely lacks any support for<br/>
> Windows 9x/ME.<br/>
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> We are discussing switching to SDL2 as primary backend, but there are no<br/>
> plans to drop SDL1 support, thus some ports like Win9x/ME, could still<br/>
> use SDL1.</span><br/>
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That is good to know, as it would make future builds for Windows 9x/ME<br/>
much easier, if they were to continue for release builds.<br/>
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<span>> Can we now try to do the following:<br/>
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> As I understand it is matter of toolchain, so we mark current build as<br/>
> Win95/ME+, then create another build with the new toolchain, and name it<br/>
> scummvm-1.8.0a, and mark is as WinXP+. By doing this now we could start<br/>
> gathering statistics on downloads already now, and by 1.9.0 make an<br/>
> informed decision.</span><br/>
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It would be best to wait for ScummVM 1.8.1, to be on the safe side. I<br/>
just switched to updated tool chain (GCC 4.9.3) for MinGW, recompiling<br/>
all required libraries due to ABI changes, and I would rather these<br/>
builds have a little more overall testing.<br/>
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